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Rendlesham forest incident that doesn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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so a classic flying-saucer really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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looked in his eyes and said we're not

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alone welcome to podcast UFO with Martin

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Willis and Michael Luke please remember

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and welcome to the show on Martin Willis

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your host Michael local be joining us in

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a second today is podcast number 75 it's

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a rare interview with Calvin Parker of

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the Pascagoula abduction incident I have

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to say I really enjoyed talking to

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Calvin he's really such a nice gentleman

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and he really has a profound story of

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this abduction with a Charlie Higson

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that happened back in October 11th 1973

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recommend if I had kidney a kidney stone

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this week and I'm telling you it's uh I

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coming down to kidney stone and there's

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a bridge nearby you may want to think

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about jumping off of it uh probably good

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time to note that you're not a doctor

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that's not medical hey yeah this is

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so do you think we're covered legally

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for that Oh obviously that that's all

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the coverage you me but anyway I wanted

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my nanny found the blog and he wrote a

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comment so under that I had his email

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address I contacted him and he said sure

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he'd got for an interview he doesn't

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like to do interviews but he would he

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months ago someone I think emailed you

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it's such a great connection you know

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one little turn can make a difference

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someone's life and I know I'm getting

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lists the top UK UFO sightings to help

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promote their new paranormal programme

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mystery map the British ITV Network has

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subject of mystery maps first episode it

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was followed by the 1987 ill key more

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close encounter in 1993's RAF Cosford

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sighting learn more about the sightings

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lawyers in here yeah we have and yeah

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that the world is coming together

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fiction television series and they're

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you're that guy that came out the day

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premiere episode was actually a it

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Britain and so were they planning

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culture drives UFO sightings and such I

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canvases survived space travel in glass

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viruses to survive extreme conditions if

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meteorite charge nothing anybody agrees

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fragile vaccines and for long-term

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real-world and practical function of

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anything so that's good that's all I

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an organization like that is just kind

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things like the website and it is it

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means literally years out of date

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people on their own going out it seems

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and everything so hopefully this is a

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good sign for the organization you know

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it's it's the most recognized site that

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there is so it's about time they're

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doing something with this you mentioned

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a minute ago about emailing you I'm

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going to give out the email that people

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can reach me at and I'll be glad to

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forward it to you it's Martin at podcast

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UFO calm I do get a lot of email a lot

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of people try to get ahold of me through

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the website so they go through the

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contact form but that is my email

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address and I always enjoy reading email

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and is that it for the news today I have

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one more question mine yeah you

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mentioned next week's show we haven't

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talked about it yet next week is

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Thanksgiving here in the States are we

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going to be following the normal

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schedule oh yes we will but Michael

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enjoy your week off because the show

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with Colby Landrum next week is going to

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be an extra-long show there's not going

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to be any news in it it's just going to

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be a probably an hour plus interview

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with Colby Landrum and the two

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researchers so take the week off Michael

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and we'll see you the week after ok I

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guess I'll cancel myself with pumpkin

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pie

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alright alright well have a good one

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alright you too and I'll talk to you in

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a couple weeks

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you

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well I'm on the line with Calvin Parker

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how are you Calvin Daiki welcome to the

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show and you were involved in one of the

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I think one of the most historical cases

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of abduction and that's the pascagoula

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abduction incident can you tell the

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listening audience that is not familiar

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with that exactly what happened yes sir

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on October 11th of 1973 a friend of mine

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being Charlie Higson and I got off work

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and decided to go fishing for a while

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but while we was fishing there's a bunch

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of event to happen

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we were abducted excuse me abducted on a

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UFO or what we believed to be a UFO at

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the time but it was blue lights and they

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levitated this and took us aboard and

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did a physical examination then Congress

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loose and that led to a bunch of events

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we didn't want nobody to know the next

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day it was always been asking me maybe

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you yet do you know was that leaked out

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of the sheriff's office it was yeah

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and if I know Charlie got calls right

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away he was a foreman of the shipyard

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there and he got calls right away about

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that but let's go a little into detail

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now I remember hearing at first that you

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claimed that you had fainted but that

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was only because you didn't want to talk

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about it is that right that's exactly

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right

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Oh Charlie and I was talking and I told

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about it made the world you know I

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didn't need all this pressure on me and

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all and I didn't like the interrogation

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stuff okay so we just you know tell them

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you passed out and I'll do the talking

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so that's pretty much the way it's been

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for years yeah and now Charlie's gone he

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passed away in 2011 and we're yes

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correct

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were you friends all all along the way

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yes sir we were we were friends now we

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never get fake

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that much but we were friends and we

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would talk all at least two or three

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times a year when this happened at the

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time there was a flap going on had you

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had known that that there was a lot of

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UFO sightings at the time no sir I had

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no clue of anything like that that was

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going on matter of fact I didn't watch

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news back in or read a newspaper and we

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pretty much just person day like a dog

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when you got off work you know you went

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home ate took a shower today it yeah

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first when you heard you heard like it

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was sort of like a buzzing sound or

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something how that was later that was

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when it went to uh went to leave the

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family notice first was some hazy blue

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light and we were fishing you know it

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wasn't unusual for the place Department

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of Sheriff's Department to have somebody

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pulled over yeah

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Conrad looked in the distance and st.

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some hazy blue lights kind of like on

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the patrol cars down here yeah and then

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they just kept getting closer and closer

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and closer and finally we found out why

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would this happen behind you facing away

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from the water if you turned around and

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look was there like an open field there

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what was what was the setting like that

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was a little place where people with

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parked cars and walk down a fish and uh

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every nine-inch ocean trash out and

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though it was just a little help of

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placing that and you could pretty well

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see everything from the bridge and the

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road you know what nothing really hid

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yeah describing more into the details of

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the event did you immediately feel numb

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where he couldn't move I did yes sir ah

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later on through medical investigations

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now there was all kind of similar to a

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needle mark on my horn like I was

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getting some kind of uh maybe an

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anesthetic or something now I never knew

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if Charlie had one st. Mark's or not but

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all I know I did in this state that

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forgot K week hmm you know going back

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for years hearing about this the thing I

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remembered

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mostly was about the strangeness of

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what Charlie claims were more or less

404
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robotic do you have the same feeling

405
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about them I do and for a matter of fact

406
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there for a while

407
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angle shipyard is just below where this

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happen and they experiment with military

409
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craft and all and therefore while I

410
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really bleed in the bottom of my heart

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and all maybe that was experimenting

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with something and it got out of hand

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and they wouldn't tell us about it but

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they completely cost the government will

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completely deny anything when it comes

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to something like that yeah I tend to

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agree with you

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so in description now since you were

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awake can you and you actually saw these

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robotic type creatures can you describe

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them thoroughly to the listening

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audience yes I can they had like a

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grayish looking skin and it didn't

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really have a texture to it or no feel

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to the touch but it that could be when I

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was sedated I might not get it fell to

427
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nothing if they had to skim into me

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they had just more or less set down on

429
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their shoulders now I don't know it

430
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maybe if it was creatures and they might

431
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be like us and dress up or did they do

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surgery or any kind of medical procedure

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you know maybe they just protecting

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yourself from any diseases so it didn't

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seem like any kind of living being just

436
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looking at it and they had these like

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almost like carrot shapes or cones on

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them and I didn't say that oh you didn't

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see that that was Trump Charlie I

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thought I did Charlie yeah but you do

441
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remember the skin or whatever the outer

442
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the outer part of them was yes countable

443
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gray wrinkled up scan that as far as any

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facial features or Oh anything else

445
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other matter I didn't see it idle or the

446
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dead I don't remember it so Charlie

447
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describes this baseball size I type

448
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thing that came out and went down over

449
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his head and possibly all around his

450
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body and then back into the wall did you

451
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see anything like that yourself well I

452
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would say no nothing look like

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my or anything like that but they did

454
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have some kind of all I want to say male

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or metallic object and they stand over

456
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you know from my hand all the way down

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to my feet

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just one quick scan down and uh hmm but

459
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I don't remember see it or not yeah now

460
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did you remember the actual part where

461
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you were levitated I know yes sir we

462
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were standing after facing the river

463
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event well that's when they put us back

464
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before we first seen it we just got

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paralyzed I mean it was just like you

466
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couldn't move and they more or less

467
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floated out of this crowd and when they

468
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touched us we loved it ate it up

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probably conclude off the ground not

470
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where they were and it was like going up

471
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a gradual ramp or we went into the crowd

472
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now what was going on in your head at

473
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this time I mean it sounds so horrific

474
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well it's really hard to explain what

475
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was going on oh it really wasn't any

476
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fear at the time I didn't just give

477
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until they let us out there was all of

478
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the will but oh it was no fear was just

479
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like you know you was wheeled to go in

480
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he was willed to get examined and you

481
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was wheeled to take back out and

482
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everything was fine as long as I was

483
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there

484
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well how they lay up to you that's funny

485
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suddenly the fear suddenly came over me

486
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I see so whatever ability they had to

487
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make you totally numb they obviously had

488
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an ability to affect you psychologically

489
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at the time as well that's what it

490
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sounds like

491
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yes that's correct and at the time that

492
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this happened we was in my car I had a

493
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dollar brandy 1973 regular horny and VR

494
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car on the passenger side was facing the

495
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crap well he shattered the windows in

496
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the car on left side now did the

497
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Sheriff's Office take a look at that and

498
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did they do any tests

499
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that they didn't do no cast on it they

500
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was more concerned about Oh making fools

501
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out of us

502
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oh let's talk about that was there a lot

503
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of ridicule by them themselves or

504
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absolutely not after they took us in and

505
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checked us and found out and all in a

506
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few minutes they come back they was dead

507
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serious about everything but uh they

508
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never ridiculed to start where they just

509
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questions us and we answered the

510
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questions justice the best of our

511
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knowledge and we could and of course I

512
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prayed kind of passed out there so I

513
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wouldn't have to answer that many

514
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questions just a few but oh they didn't

515
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ridicules at all matter of fact

516
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afterwards they said well Ava y'all good

517
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actors the best actors we ever seen we

518
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really believe you if I don't rate y'all

519
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acting but you mentioned a minute ago

520
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that someone was making fools out of you

521
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who is that that was doing that ah a lot

522
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of times when you get publicity of any

523
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kind whether you're a movie star

524
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whatever paparazzi or something like

525
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that

526
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it's about the same way here your way

527
00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:00,630
alone and though there's a lot of people

528
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to just enjoy

529
00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:05,700
like if somebody feel bad or terrorized

530
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:07,980
you know whatever they want to do and I

531
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don't say that all my life ever since

532
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this happened

533
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:14,610
no I then it's not a whole lot but you

534
00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:17,760
know it's a few Eckerd right it's a few

535
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:20,220
few fake people like that say they've

536
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:22,440
seen UFOs and rode on them or been

537
00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:25,260
abducted and you know I know some is

538
00:24:30,050 --> 00:24:26,910
legitimate there's no doubt in my mind

539
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,060
about there but then there's some that

540
00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:33,120
just do it for the publicity or maybe

541
00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:35,580
the money or whatever and that's the

542
00:24:40,340 --> 00:24:37,460
market runs it for everybody

543
00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:40,350
yeah there's very a lot of people don't

544
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:41,700
realize this but there's very little

545
00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:46,050
money to be made in people claiming that

546
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:50,280
they've seen UFOs and are abducted it's

547
00:24:55,409 --> 00:24:52,690
absolutely not to be made if you figure

548
00:24:58,619 --> 00:24:55,419
time and expense off work I know like

549
00:25:00,180 --> 00:24:58,629
this happen it was probably two years

550
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:00,190
before I could even go back to work

551
00:25:04,289 --> 00:25:02,710
because of the lady now they do a few

552
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:04,299
talk shows Oh

553
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:07,090
at the time you know back then talk

554
00:25:11,129 --> 00:25:08,710
shows didn't pay you nothing to come

555
00:25:15,299 --> 00:25:11,139
home you just went on they pay your

556
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,309
expenses and you know I got tired of all

557
00:25:20,430 --> 00:25:17,679
of it from experience of another

558
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:20,440
situation I can tell you that the same

559
00:25:27,419 --> 00:25:22,210
thing is still happening now they still

560
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,429
don't pay but they a lot of they do do

561
00:25:33,479 --> 00:25:29,440
pay expenses but sometimes they don't as

562
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:33,489
well and I can imagine so it was a full

563
00:25:39,299 --> 00:25:35,289
two years before things really die down

564
00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:39,309
Wow it was and it never really did that

565
00:25:43,499 --> 00:25:42,070
day let's talk about the 40th

566
00:25:46,049 --> 00:25:43,509
anniversary that just happened last

567
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:46,059
month I you and I were in touch before

568
00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:48,970
that time and all of a sudden things

569
00:25:55,589 --> 00:25:50,950
just broke loose can you talk about that

570
00:25:58,259 --> 00:25:55,599
well the Associated Press not a factor

571
00:25:59,849 --> 00:25:58,269
they're the ones you know tracked me

572
00:26:02,399 --> 00:25:59,859
there and I was just going to do an

573
00:26:05,009 --> 00:26:02,409
interview review and that was it just

574
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:05,019
something simple and fast because I

575
00:26:09,690 --> 00:26:07,330
music your anniversary was coming up I

576
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,700
said well I do this at a column same

577
00:26:14,609 --> 00:26:12,159
thing and then all be over with well

578
00:26:17,729 --> 00:26:14,619
before I knew it the Associated Press

579
00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:17,739
had tracked me down and they have stood

580
00:26:23,249 --> 00:26:20,169
after them on the road and sent messages

581
00:26:25,859 --> 00:26:23,259
down probably half a dozen people that

582
00:26:28,499 --> 00:26:25,869
they wanted to talk to me and finally on

583
00:26:31,499 --> 00:26:28,509
a Facebook page that sent me a deal so

584
00:26:33,239 --> 00:26:31,509
please call so I did I agreed to an

585
00:26:35,509 --> 00:26:33,249
interview with them did they come out

586
00:26:39,419 --> 00:26:35,519
and actually film an interview with you

587
00:26:41,789 --> 00:26:39,429
yes as I did and as you know because if

588
00:26:44,489 --> 00:26:41,799
I am signed about it the news media the

589
00:26:47,159 --> 00:26:44,499
local news media down here never heard a

590
00:26:49,409 --> 00:26:47,169
word from them huh that is strange you'd

591
00:26:51,180 --> 00:26:49,419
think the the region where this happened

592
00:26:52,139 --> 00:26:51,190
would be the one that would be the first

593
00:26:55,979 --> 00:26:52,149
to report on it

594
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:55,989
yes but on the other hand like Charlie

595
00:27:01,950 --> 00:26:59,919
Henson was always one in the press he

596
00:27:03,539 --> 00:27:01,960
would always do the interviews and

597
00:27:06,419 --> 00:27:03,549
things like this and I didn't have to

598
00:27:09,239 --> 00:27:06,429
mess with them so they probably saw

599
00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:09,249
that I'll since Charlie had passed away

600
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:10,990
that there was no reason to come see me

601
00:27:17,159 --> 00:27:13,990
because I've denied cleaning interviews

602
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:17,169
with them and they was polite enough you

603
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:20,769
know like to push a she well that's

604
00:27:25,649 --> 00:27:23,769
great but also you mentioned to me that

605
00:27:27,779 --> 00:27:25,659
all kinds of people were knocking on

606
00:27:31,409 --> 00:27:27,789
your door lately and you had no idea how

607
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:31,419
they got your address I have no clue how

608
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:33,369
my address get well with computers

609
00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:35,710
nowadays yeah your frame things like it

610
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:37,240
used to be you can get in your car and

611
00:27:41,249 --> 00:27:38,799
go somewhere else and nobody doesn't

612
00:27:44,009 --> 00:27:41,259
find you and nowadays with computers

613
00:27:46,529 --> 00:27:44,019
it's no such thing as hiding and I've

614
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:46,539
had some real whack job show or fix

615
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:49,929
doors and I've had people that wanted

616
00:27:55,289 --> 00:27:52,330
autographed your heads and no does that

617
00:27:57,060 --> 00:27:55,299
right oh yeah special stuff like that

618
00:27:59,580 --> 00:27:57,070
one bigger blessing that's like I told

619
00:28:02,460 --> 00:27:59,590
you I'm not a priest well I don't have

620
00:28:06,989 --> 00:28:02,470
no power that God gave me so I'm gonna

621
00:28:08,609 --> 00:28:06,999
get into that I'm sorry I'm not I'm not

622
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:08,619
trying to I'm not laughing but I realize

623
00:28:11,489 --> 00:28:09,850
I'm not laughing at you I'm just

624
00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:11,499
laughing at how crazy people can be

625
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:14,950
sometimes all I can get really a radical

626
00:28:22,019 --> 00:28:18,610
sometimes yeah I had some guy don't

627
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:22,029
think he was but he offered me $10,000

628
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:23,769
to come sleep with him I said well I

629
00:28:28,169 --> 00:28:26,320
stopped my cup of tea buddy much as I

630
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:28,179
made the money I ain't gonna do that

631
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:32,769
oh my goodness well and just things like

632
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,710
that yeah that that's pretty bizarre it

633
00:28:40,529 --> 00:28:37,600
is yeah you could have taken the money

634
00:28:45,899 --> 00:28:40,539
and sent someone else that's what I

635
00:28:48,629 --> 00:28:45,909
should have done Wow oh now I'm sure you

636
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:48,639
know who Travis Walton is yes her

637
00:28:54,869 --> 00:28:51,369
father's got hotly attractive walk yeah

638
00:28:58,619 --> 00:28:54,879
I had a conversation with him in a while

639
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:58,629
back and he basically said that if he

640
00:29:04,739 --> 00:29:01,840
could turn back the clock he really wish

641
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:04,749
this had never happened to him and is

642
00:29:08,999 --> 00:29:06,490
that the same type of feeling that you

643
00:29:13,289 --> 00:29:09,009
have oh yes sir

644
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:13,299
oh I had at one time you know said that

645
00:29:19,650 --> 00:29:17,129
they could have been demons because his

646
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:19,660
did you

647
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:21,670
being abducted you include people ever

648
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:24,610
saying that oh we had gone through

649
00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:26,890
Charley and I and probably others have

650
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:29,260
been a dusting then you'd be in a

651
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:31,330
penitentiary and a lot of people think

652
00:29:35,850 --> 00:29:33,070
it's good that comes out of it and all

653
00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:35,860
in it it could be later on but it's

654
00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:37,720
nothing good that happens to the people

655
00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:41,260
on that end of it we more or less just

656
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:44,440
an experiment I think yeah that's why I

657
00:29:52,110 --> 00:29:48,010
said it you know it's not good could

658
00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:52,120
they do now I heard an interview with

659
00:29:59,850 --> 00:29:55,630
Charlie and he had mentioned that some

660
00:30:04,140 --> 00:29:59,860
things had happened afterward did he

661
00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:04,150
ever talk about that publicly ah nothing

662
00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:06,160
on the world no sure there's a few

663
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:08,260
things that I'll hear totally that he

664
00:30:14,190 --> 00:30:10,510
said to me he didn't want me to ever

665
00:30:16,670 --> 00:30:14,200
mention he goes here they and you know I

666
00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:16,680
respect a man enough he was a friend and

667
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,060
you know not to never say nothing about

668
00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:22,000
it sure I'm the type of person when I

669
00:30:25,410 --> 00:30:23,860
gave my word to somebody or I tell

670
00:30:27,180 --> 00:30:25,420
somebody something yes that's a way that

671
00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:27,190
it is yeah

672
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:30,340
had you ever had any ongoing experiences

673
00:30:36,060 --> 00:30:31,690
yourself or would you want to talk about

674
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:36,070
that well not really you know I had men

675
00:30:43,530 --> 00:30:38,980
abducted to get or anything oh I think

676
00:30:47,070 --> 00:30:43,540
it one time in my life they've tried to

677
00:30:49,860 --> 00:30:47,080
communicate with me and or somebody has

678
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:49,870
and maybe I imagined it maybe they did

679
00:30:55,710 --> 00:30:52,330
but it was more or less in your sleep

680
00:30:58,350 --> 00:30:55,720
than a dream so it's hard to say that's

681
00:30:59,910 --> 00:30:58,360
true or not speaking of that how were

682
00:31:03,030 --> 00:30:59,920
your dreams after this whole thing

683
00:31:05,940 --> 00:31:03,040
happened you know they were really oh I

684
00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:05,950
really didn't think about this and I

685
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:08,350
didn't let it bother me a whole lot

686
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:10,330
except for when this initially happened

687
00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:13,480
because it brought my whole life you

688
00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:15,820
know I was due to get married November 2

689
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,590
fear this is October 11 and we were

690
00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:22,720
coming November tonight we're supposed

691
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:24,820
to get married and I was having a little

692
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:26,710
job and we just come loaded and set up

693
00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:29,200
housekeeping everything was really going

694
00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:31,750
to be nice and then this come along and

695
00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:33,400
just just about

696
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,800
battled everything to pieces and it

697
00:31:40,170 --> 00:31:37,840
didn't only destroyed my life but he

698
00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:40,180
disliked my family's life that's that's

699
00:31:44,670 --> 00:31:41,950
that's sad that's too bad

700
00:31:47,310 --> 00:31:44,680
going back to the encounter itself when

701
00:31:49,530 --> 00:31:47,320
this very first happened I understand

702
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:49,540
that you and Charlie didn't even want to

703
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:51,490
talk about it to anybody but you decided

704
00:31:56,670 --> 00:31:53,770
you wanted to you first went to the air

705
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:56,680
base you're right originally we wasn't

706
00:32:02,520 --> 00:31:58,930
on tell about we said and we talked and

707
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:02,530
we decided that it's just best not to

708
00:32:07,170 --> 00:32:03,370
tell nobody

709
00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:07,180
and then Charlie said you know we've got

710
00:32:11,670 --> 00:32:08,980
to tell somebody we got to tell some

711
00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:11,680
official or something what's going on

712
00:32:20,430 --> 00:32:17,680
thank you so we called all Kichler and

713
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:20,440
so it was we called Kasler and talked to

714
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:23,230
them and they just blew it off they said

715
00:32:28,650 --> 00:32:24,640
well that's a deal for the local

716
00:32:32,550 --> 00:32:28,660
authorities so after that we call the

717
00:32:36,420 --> 00:32:32,560
Sheriff's Department anomaly and they

718
00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:36,430
talked us into coming up to the shelter

719
00:32:40,860 --> 00:32:37,900
pumpkin that came out sent a card

720
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:40,870
problem this did a sobriety test on the

721
00:32:45,890 --> 00:32:43,930
structure we could drive and we followed

722
00:32:48,660 --> 00:32:45,900
into the chef de Partie that's where the

723
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:48,670
interrogations and all started which was

724
00:32:52,650 --> 00:32:50,980
bad that was really nice matter of fact

725
00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:52,660
one of the deputies still work for the

726
00:33:01,410 --> 00:32:56,260
chef on command here you know we had any

727
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:01,420
ladies extremely nice but they was you

728
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:03,010
know also I could prove that it was a

729
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:08,010
hoax absolutely and I understand that

730
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:10,930
everyone left the room and they actually

731
00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:13,210
were taping your conversation did you

732
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:15,070
when you first heard that did that make

733
00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:19,330
you upset that they did that well it did

734
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,900
when I first heard it it really did but

735
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:25,120
uh then I got to thinking about it

736
00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:28,810
all they did was just prove a point so

737
00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:31,150
it didn't upset me that bad after I got

738
00:33:34,980 --> 00:33:33,100
to thinking about it because they

739
00:33:38,420 --> 00:33:34,990
actually after they listened to the tape

740
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:38,430
they realized that you weren't hoaxing

741
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:41,530
yes sir that's that's when the reality

742
00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:44,770
hit and then we asked them Fred now

743
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:47,260
sheriffing and I wait

744
00:33:53,370 --> 00:33:50,050
against them not to lick nothing out of

745
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:53,380
course if it's kind of like the prayers

746
00:33:57,330 --> 00:33:55,210
of it you can ask somebody not to like

747
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:57,340
nothing but somebody around me it's

748
00:34:02,580 --> 00:33:59,200
going to leak steps out concering and

749
00:34:04,260 --> 00:34:02,590
that that night went on back home we

750
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:04,270
woke up the next morning and going to

751
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:07,360
work started is all over with the whole

752
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:09,610
we got to work work at the shower Peter

753
00:34:15,020 --> 00:34:12,310
shipyard I mean it was thousands of

754
00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:15,030
reporters and I literally mean that many

755
00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:17,800
whether we got me day and they couldn't

756
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:19,540
in function because it was so many

757
00:34:24,930 --> 00:34:22,330
people like there's a lake just had to

758
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:24,940
tell us to go on somewhere else but I

759
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:27,760
hacked in if they did pay us and they

760
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,550
were good too and they furnished an

761
00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:32,800
economy joke home Ingo the handle the

762
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:37,780
press and everything well now the next

763
00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:38,399
day or two

764
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:41,800
Charlie all of a sudden thought about

765
00:34:47,490 --> 00:34:44,110
there's a possibility that you were in

766
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:47,500
touch with the radioactive substance so

767
00:34:51,570 --> 00:34:49,630
you went you ended up going back to that

768
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:51,580
Air Force Base that first rejected you

769
00:34:55,889 --> 00:34:52,240
is that right

770
00:34:58,980 --> 00:34:55,899
ah yes sir that's true and though I

771
00:35:01,440 --> 00:34:58,990
don't I don't know don't think it was

772
00:35:03,630 --> 00:35:01,450
Charlie but it was the chef Department

773
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:03,640
more less no they felt like we needed to

774
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:07,180
go be checked so they loaded us up and

775
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:10,450
took us to the Air Force Base and when

776
00:35:14,910 --> 00:35:12,490
they heard radiation of course everybody

777
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:14,920
goes crazy and they had on the little

778
00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:16,870
uniforms and stuff like that and they

779
00:35:21,810 --> 00:35:19,270
come out and check this and that was an

780
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:21,820
examination and then we all went in and

781
00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:24,730
sat down and had a yell interrogation

782
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:28,030
and it still minutes somewhere out I

783
00:35:32,250 --> 00:35:30,010
used to have a copy of the minutes of

784
00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:32,260
the interrogation they gave us first of

785
00:35:36,270 --> 00:35:34,630
all to be they seemed like they believed

786
00:35:38,090 --> 00:35:36,280
your story and and what type of

787
00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:38,100
questions did they ask you

788
00:35:45,090 --> 00:35:41,800
well some of we know let's just told the

789
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:45,100
whole story tool and don't some of them

790
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:46,450
acted like they really believed this

791
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:49,210
because of all they were like the people

792
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:50,680
loved them that had lived here all their

793
00:35:57,660 --> 00:35:54,250
lives some of them probably newest or

794
00:35:59,730 --> 00:35:57,670
knew of us especially after that but

795
00:36:01,140 --> 00:35:59,740
just more or less the same questions

796
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:01,150
that the press asked

797
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:04,720
they never said that anything happened

798
00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:07,690
but they never denied it either did you

799
00:36:13,590 --> 00:36:10,590
ever hear from the Air Force after that

800
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,600
no sir I didn't it was all over we're

801
00:36:17,130 --> 00:36:14,800
back to that with him

802
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:17,140
I had an eerie feeling that we was being

803
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:18,850
powered there at times for a while

804
00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:21,010
that's just probably paranoia you're

805
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,790
kicking in well is there any time that

806
00:36:30,330 --> 00:36:26,800
you felt in any way threatened at all by

807
00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:30,340
any of their questions or actions no

808
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:33,550
sure a lot of time you know and again

809
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,010
that's the federal government and if you

810
00:36:40,830 --> 00:36:38,800
all did it make you feel threatened and

811
00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:40,840
they something to it so look they're

812
00:36:47,970 --> 00:36:43,230
really trained in interrogations

813
00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:47,980
absolutely if we had felt pretty then it

814
00:36:52,850 --> 00:36:49,870
would have been a problem for us a name

815
00:36:54,990 --> 00:36:52,860
I believe has there been any new

816
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,000
developments or anything since this

817
00:37:00,240 --> 00:36:58,000
happened any new evidence that came

818
00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:00,250
forth I know some other people claim

819
00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:01,830
they actually saw sighting that evening

820
00:37:10,530 --> 00:37:06,670
some of the witnesses that were real

821
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:10,540
credible that had seen this happened to

822
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:13,450
us are saying to craft and all is off

823
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,640
the bridge there was a young probation

824
00:37:21,420 --> 00:37:17,680
officer then there was a tooth her

825
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:21,430
business owners and a preacher that is

826
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:24,610
saying all this going on and Wow they

827
00:37:31,830 --> 00:37:28,720
said I I never talked to him I only read

828
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:31,840
what they said but they said that they

829
00:37:37,410 --> 00:37:34,000
same this and they believed it was real

830
00:37:40,890 --> 00:37:37,420
credible well how much time would you

831
00:37:43,290 --> 00:37:40,900
guess that the whole encounter took I'm

832
00:37:45,330 --> 00:37:43,300
going to say at least 45 minutes

833
00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:45,340
there was a Coast Guard Station right

834
00:37:50,070 --> 00:37:47,620
across from where this was happening but

835
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:50,080
I didn't see anybody after but I'm just

836
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:53,770
guessing 45 minutes mm-hmm now when you

837
00:38:01,290 --> 00:37:58,260
were first set out on the ground and I

838
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:01,300
heard an interview with Charlie he said

839
00:38:05,730 --> 00:38:03,430
that he had to slap you and try to get

840
00:38:07,590 --> 00:38:05,740
you back your arms were outstretched do

841
00:38:14,350 --> 00:38:07,600
you remember any of that sort of coming

842
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:17,650
kind of froze that in front of me and

843
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:20,720
and like I say it might be from an

844
00:38:25,180 --> 00:38:22,970
injection or it not be from fear I don't

845
00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:25,190
know what it was from and child just

846
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:27,820
kind of shook me a little bit Oh

847
00:38:36,670 --> 00:38:33,370
told me to wake up and get up let's go

848
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:36,680
do something they know but I believe

849
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:38,930
okay yes I know we mentioned earlier

850
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:41,690
that if you could take back the clock

851
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:43,310
just like Travis Walton this would never

852
00:38:46,450 --> 00:38:43,850
happen

853
00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:46,460
can you describe how some things have

854
00:38:52,450 --> 00:38:48,430
changed in your life since this occurred

855
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:52,460
yeah I was headed to a different path in

856
00:38:57,940 --> 00:38:56,090
my life you know Warsaw I was actually

857
00:39:01,690 --> 00:38:57,950
gonna become an attorney and stay at

858
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:01,700
home and all this and then when this

859
00:39:08,250 --> 00:39:04,810
happened I had to forget about school oh

860
00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:08,260
I had to move around a big deal because

861
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,380
people will find out who I was and then

862
00:39:18,070 --> 00:39:14,240
I get looked at I didn't want that for

863
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,080
me or my family and it just caused lot

864
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:20,000
of stress on you you and your family

865
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:24,050
right so you basically felt that because

866
00:39:29,650 --> 00:39:26,690
of the ridicule situation that being a

867
00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:29,660
lawyer would not be a good idea I did

868
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:32,150
and though I didn't feel like I could

869
00:39:38,730 --> 00:39:34,250
probably go into a courtroom and ever

870
00:39:41,590 --> 00:39:38,740
convince a jury or anybody else of all

871
00:39:43,180 --> 00:39:41,600
anybody's innocence or anything but I

872
00:39:46,180 --> 00:39:43,190
always make my praying in the background

873
00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:46,190
of mine less the guy that wrote was

874
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:48,980
abducted by UFO who can believe him

875
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:51,410
that's really sad to hear and I'm sorry

876
00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:53,110
that you had to go through this and and

877
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:55,430
have to take a different turn in life

878
00:39:59,800 --> 00:39:57,290
because of it there is a lot of ridicule

879
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,810
out there and for the real solid cases

880
00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:01,760
like yours it's kind of a shame really

881
00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:03,800
it's really based on fear and and

882
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:05,660
something like this could actually be

883
00:40:15,460 --> 00:40:12,530
true yeah but Oh over time cases kind of

884
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:15,470
proved themselves to be true and if you

885
00:40:19,090 --> 00:40:17,330
didn't have a real kill of people you

886
00:40:22,060 --> 00:40:19,100
wouldn't have nothing to back it up case

887
00:40:25,770 --> 00:40:22,070
and that's kind of the way I look at it

888
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:25,780
now if people didn't really queue and on

889
00:40:31,770 --> 00:40:27,310
the

890
00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:31,780
be no one trying to prove it wrong and I

891
00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:33,400
like the idea that it was trying to

892
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:35,350
prove this wrong because something did

893
00:40:40,770 --> 00:40:38,170
happen regardless if it was an

894
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:40,780
experiment going bad or whatever

895
00:40:44,490 --> 00:40:41,850
happened

896
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:44,500
aliens or something to God saying it

897
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:46,510
that's not the point the point is

898
00:40:49,770 --> 00:40:47,530
something happened

899
00:40:54,330 --> 00:40:49,780
now I know there was a polygraph test

900
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:54,340
taken in past and was it just one no I

901
00:41:02,580 --> 00:40:57,570
paid two and I had a voice-stress test

902
00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:02,590
and all passes everyone passed divided

903
00:41:09,380 --> 00:41:06,430
out we were in Chicago alone they flew

904
00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:09,390
us up for the Mike Douglas show oh yeah

905
00:41:15,780 --> 00:41:12,790
part of going on would be having to take

906
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:15,790
a polygraph test so we did both of us

907
00:41:23,220 --> 00:41:19,680
took one pass to it then later on in

908
00:41:26,490 --> 00:41:23,230
life somebody gave me a boy stress test

909
00:41:29,310 --> 00:41:26,500
and then I had another polygraph test I

910
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:29,320
had one up and talked to all but Hopkins

911
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:33,300
oh yeah but I meant both Hopkins and

912
00:41:39,630 --> 00:41:37,210
Florida he had flew them and they wanted

913
00:41:41,850 --> 00:41:39,640
to read hypnotizes snow and that's when

914
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:41,860
I got into really taking on the

915
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:44,410
polygraph test and stuff so it's always

916
00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:46,690
been kind of proved this thing either

917
00:41:50,850 --> 00:41:49,270
right or wrong Anatomy I wasn't care if

918
00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:50,860
it was proved wrong and everybody said

919
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:53,260
it was a hoax and it go away but it

920
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:56,410
won't you know have a lot of people try

921
00:42:03,600 --> 00:41:59,680
to discredit you in this no sir they had

922
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,610
not a lot yeah ah you see one every now

923
00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:05,440
and then with a Cody Sputnik or

924
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:09,160
something like that um but that's mostly

925
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:12,640
in play I'm in construction plate

926
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,410
because I went into the construction

927
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:17,760
field little short time after that and

928
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:20,710
these people that you work around you so

929
00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:23,890
I'm not real generous right how about

930
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:26,260
philip glass's he did he ever contact

931
00:42:35,340 --> 00:42:26,650
you

932
00:42:39,150 --> 00:42:35,350
opinion about things and philip glass to

933
00:42:40,980 --> 00:42:39,160
me he was not he was probably a smart

934
00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:40,990
man that he was the smartest what he

935
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:41,230
thought

936
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:44,890
he was I agree with you there now how

937
00:42:52,590 --> 00:42:47,950
was your treatment from J Allen Hynek at

938
00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:52,600
the time when he first got there how it

939
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:55,270
was kind of standoffish him and the

940
00:43:01,080 --> 00:42:58,210
harder had came down but he was a little

941
00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:01,090
bit standoffish then over the times that

942
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:03,100
we spent together and a questionnaire

943
00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:05,530
that he had a hypnosis that they'd done

944
00:43:12,930 --> 00:43:10,300
and now he oh he said and he told us he

945
00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:12,940
said without a doubt I know that

946
00:43:17,849 --> 00:43:15,160
something happened to y'all I don't know

947
00:43:19,380 --> 00:43:17,859
what except from what you said that he

948
00:43:22,109 --> 00:43:19,390
said without a doubt they something that

949
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:22,119
happened right well Calvin were we're

950
00:43:25,020 --> 00:43:23,710
out of time is there anything else you

951
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:25,030
want to talk about before we sign off

952
00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:28,720
well just one thing I know there's a lot

953
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:32,590
of people that uses for hopes and a lot

954
00:43:37,170 --> 00:43:34,810
of people kind of make like a religion I

955
00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:37,180
just want people to really think things

956
00:43:40,020 --> 00:43:38,830
out before they get involved in

957
00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:40,030
something that's going to cost them

958
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:44,670
money because it's like religion yeah

959
00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:47,560
you know religion is one of the most

960
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:49,420
powerful things in the world but make

961
00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:51,850
money and I don't want to see nobody get

962
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:53,980
scammed or anything I think those are

963
00:43:58,890 --> 00:43:56,410
great words well thanks so much Calvin

964
00:44:01,080 --> 00:43:58,900
it's been a genuine pleasure to talk to

965
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:01,090
you you're a gentleman and I really